Older and Better – antique sock machine and revisiting projects

By far, the biggest thing to happen in August was this Circular Sock Machine.  I’d been looking casually for one for a year or so but finally put the word out that I was in the market. The goal being to use up some handspun because I spin much more and faster than I knit or weave.

Within hours, an acquaintance said she had been thinking of selling hers. We talked it over for a couple of weeks while she finished up one more project and then on Aug 13th, we went and picked it up.  I’d never laid hands on a CSM in my life but I have used a flatbed knitting machine that I had to refurbish before I used it and already hand knit.   I also enjoy a challenge – which most people warned me this would be.  Everyone kept saying “there’s a big learning curve!” and there is but it’s no more difficult than learning to service vintage sewing machines. In fact, a lot of the logic process transfers across especially when troubleshooting tension or dropped stitches.

The previous owner had made mock rib socks and had never used the ribber.  She’d bought the machine refurbished from Chambord in Quebec.

It took me a couple of days to work up the nerve to try to work with the machine but since then, I’ve been trying to get a couple of afternoons a week in playing with it. Some of that time though has been used disassembling and oiling and generally becoming familiar with the machine as well as setting up a “workstation” for it.  I’ve watched tons of YouTube videos and have learned a bunch.

In the end, I had to do a few adjustments to the ribber to make it knit (or I guess more accurately, so it would purl).  It sat way too low as I received it and sitting a little crooked which made the ribber dial touch on one side of the cylinder and have a larger gap on the opposite side.  Then some general tension adjustment.  I think it’s a touch high but it stitches consistently at the moment, so I am leaving it as is for now.

It’s a PT Legaré “400”

  • possibly circa 1900 – 1914 and made by Creelman (I think?)
  • It wasn’t actually called a 400, its more proper name might be “The Money Maker” because that’s how they were marketed to Victorian era folks. It has the nickname of 400 because of the cast “400” in the base plate.  But it’s only one of several numbers – lots starting with 4xx – on the machine.  The crank for instance, says 403.
  • 54 and 72 needle cylinders and a 36 needle ribber.
  • Refurbished around 2019
  • It’s currently installed on our Workmate table which is a pretty common setup among crankers.   I’m contemplating a bench grinder pedestal for it – mostly for the smaller footprint and a little height – but I will lose storage.  The best thing about the workmate, other than its stability is the storage.

There are a few upgrades I’m thinking of (slotted mast topper, a more adjustable and slotted yarn carrier) and some spares but those will be a couple of months in the future.  Right now, I just want to get to know it and start making some socks or at the very least sock blanks to dye!

PT Legaré 400 on the Workmate table – Front
PT Legaré 400 on Workmate table – Back view. Here you can see the IKEA NEREBY rail and hooks I chose for holding the weights, buckle and cast on bonnets. It bangs and clangs if you move the table from place to place but it’s fine when just operating the machine.
The contents of the bins on the bottom shelf that’s just a few bits of board slotted into already formed spots in the workmate. On the left – my 54 needle cylinder and a couple of 3d printed cones and one original cone of yarn. The natural and Orange/white/brown yarns came with the machine and I’ve knitted and ravelled them a half dozen times each.
Contents of the middle section of the storage on the workmate: my 3d printed adapters so that the cones can be wound on my double ended weaving bobbin winder plus the printed cones from the left section. The black marks on the yarn are what happens when you oil then cast on… :-/
On the right, the last bin holds my needles – sorted by ribber/cylinder and repairable/repaired/in use/new.  Also, a bin for spare nuts, bolts, etc.  Wait! What?!?!?

Yes, it’s true.  This CSM came with exactly one spare bolt that I still haven’t found the home for.  I suspect though now that I’ve disassembled and also used all of it that it’s the one that was removed to put the row counter on.

This is maybe my favourite hack. These are 2 cutlery drawer organizers and I’ve sandwiched them in the vise portion of the table top. These hold my most needed tools – including several types of pick up tools for grabbing stitches I drop, cloths for catching oil, oil, nail polish for marking needles and cylinders, etc. There’s enough space between the 2 drawers that I put my yarn on the bottom shelf and feed it up through the gap, straight to the yarn mast topper.
Top left and right pics – my first successful ribbing with the CSM. This was last weekend after a few attempts and a number of adjustments. Bottom left – the natural yarn knitted up in stockinette (no ribber)

So, now that I was knitting yarn from cones and needed to be able to wind yarn to cones, I turned back to the double ended weaving bobbin winder I’d made last year.  This winder had been working well except for one small issue.  When winding went normally, there were no problems.  Every once in a while though a bobbin would drag to a halt because of a yarn snag or some such and create too much heat and friction which would melt the ends.  That meant that the flexible filament I’d used in the original design wasn’t suitable for this purpose.  After casually thinking on it for a few months (before the CSM came home), I decided to try modifying the CAD files to take an O-Ring and use a rigid core instead.  Not unlike the Elna pulleys.  So I measured where most of the bobbins and adapters landed on the ends and set to work in CAD.

From Left to right: Winder end in PETG (rigid) with lines showing where bobbins and adapters seat. The 2nd end is the flexible non-driven side of the winder and shows some slight wear. 3rd is the flexible driven end and shows significant wear in the plastic.
O-Ringed ends of bobbin winder. A couple of cone adapters in the background. The seafoam(?) one goes on the top of the cone, the clear on the bottom and both have little divots in the backs to mount to the winder. All designed in CAD and printed.

So far, these new ends have been working well.  The biggest problem with snagging yarn and having the cones and adapters spin on the winder has been one O-Ring spit off the end. Other than crawling around on my hands and knees looking for it, so far this is looking like a much stronger solution than the flexible filament. I plan to test for a while longer before calling it good though.

3d printed spindle with a lathe turned beech shaft. The fibre on the spindle is hemp.

Carrying on with the bast fibre experiments from the Tour De Fleece, I tried a little on a spindle.

The spindle did fine but was probably a little too light (39g) for hemp. It spun too fast/back spun too soon and I had more breaks than I’d have liked. It may be possible to fix most of this with a heavier spindle. That was my fault for trying to defy the laws of physics or at least poorly interpreting them and choosing the wrong spindle characteristics.

The other thing I didn’t think of initially is that this is one of my turned spindle shafts and I use a non-water resistant finish which didn’t appreciate my too wet hands. I would switch to one of the original chopstick shafts for hemp in the future. The arms handled it just fine as I knew they would. I smoothed that shaft and reapplied its finish yesterday.

I will try one day with a more appropriate weight and a different shaft and update but my gut feel is that I prefer spinning line flax, tow flax or hemp on a wheel.

I found especially that I enjoyed spinning line flax from a folded dry dish towel (I used one I’d woven because why not?).  With the towel laid across my lap, I put a little line flax on the towel then folded the towel over top of it (like a hot dog). Then I pulled from the centre in a “from the fold” style. That seemed to help me control the twist and spin as thinly as I’d wanted to.

This month I also turned another support spindle – one that I’ve never even spun on.  The most I’ve done is see how well it can spin.  Then I lent it to a friend who’s wanting to try out support spindles.   I am still in the thick of it with “Accidentally Epic” – so it wasn’t going to get used anytime soon unless I started another spinning project but I already have 3 in progress and am trying to finish one more before I start something new.

Full shot of 2nd wood Russian style support spindle

As usual, turning reinforces the lesson of “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.  Even this close to the end of a turning, you’re not guaranteed a finished project. This spindle came off the lathe thanks to a catch right after this shot. You can see the damage – just – in the second shot, and clearer (bigger than life) in the third shot. I found one of those full diameter rings at either end from this spindle across the room a few days later.

Close up shot of 2nd wood Russian style support spindle
Full length shot of 2nd wood Russian style support spindle – off lathe with small catch near the tip
Close up shot of 2nd wood Russian style support spindle – off lathe with small catch near the tip

You can see it turn here: https://www.instagram.com/p/ChJZ7D5OYBJ/
(swipe all the way left to see it spin. No, it doesn’t change direction in the video. That’s a single flick.) Edit: This doesn’t appear to be the cherry I thought it was.  A person who’s far better at identifying wood species than I am thinks it might be Granadillo.  Reasons are the colour, end grain porosity and the weight.  It’s far heavier than cherry should be and it’s a orange/red when unstained that cherry typically isn’t.

Despite the catch and unceremonious exit from the lathe, it spins well.

The other thing I managed to turn is the bobbin-pinne base I mentioned in the last post as well. Around 45 minutes to pick the wood, drill a hole for the post, turn the wood portion and install the post.  It adds about 100g of weight and stops the bobbi-pinne tipping over if you tug the yarn. It works very well. It’s bigger than this bobbi-pinne because I plan to turn some larger ones and hope to use the base for any one I choose.

I had initially thought this was black walnut but I’m fairly positive now that it’s not? It’s heavier/denser and dulled my skew really quickly. It also has a really smoky, fairly unpleasant smell to it – so does walnut when you first turn it but not this strong and that seems to fade to a sort of nutty smell. I associate this smell with smoky and “savoury” maybe like a backyard smoker but not in good way? I’m really hoping the smell doesn’t linger. The chips are darker than the black walnut I have here too which is more of a brown grey. These are more of a warm chocolate colour a bit lighter than this picture before you add a finish. It took finish really well and has more of a glow than the walnut I’m used to though. Edit:  I found out that this wood (below) is actually torrefied maple.  I won’t be turning it inside anymore either – it requires breathing protection and I won’t subject the cats to that – as the smell lingered for more than a day.  Outside only (same with acrylic but that’s mostly because of the mess).

Bobbi-pinne on a base that turns the whole thing into a yarn ball holder.

Part of September is going to be working on V2 of the eSpinner I built back in 2020. This will be only as I feel like it though.  I’ve learned that working in CAD when I’m not feeling it just means I do 3 times the work and there’s going to be a lot of work in CAD already because how I design has changed a lot and these parts were some of my first drawn designs. I’m posting this mostly because I have alluded to this little device a few times but when it came up in conversation last week, I realized that I had never made a blog post to point folks to.  (*Checks that off her list of things to do!*)

The goals for it are largely appearance related. Mostly to make it look less like the dimensionally accurate reproduction of the wheel I modelled it after (for the learning experience) but also to make the base smaller and the eSpinner more compact in general.

I also want to build in a way to easily reinstall the drive band when it comes off if you remove the flyer.  Right now, opening the front is the easiest way but it requires tools and is hard on the wiring to the front panel.  This weekend, I had to solder one of the wires back onto the dial because it had been flexed too many times during prototyping/installation/drive band re-installation.

Other modifications are:

  • metal nuts to match up to the fasteners for longevity
  • a way to tension the driveband – right now, pony bead lacing does a great job though.
  • a better motor mount.  When plying up some cotton last summer, things got pretty warm because of a printed belt that was a touch too tight and the motor mount allowed the motor to spin in the bracket.  That’s why the wires to the motor are twisted up.
  • move the power to the left and the mother-of-all to the right so a proper brake knob can be installed
  • change the mount of the motor to be a little stronger.  It’s not presented a problem thus far but I do like to over-engineer right from the get go whenever possible.

Here’s what V1.0 looks like today (yes, sometimes I make epic projects just for the learning experience!):

Front, right side and angled views of V1.0 of the eSpinner. Uses a repaired Lendrum wood flyer and is compatible with Lendrum bobbins.
A workbench view of the electrical and electronics of the eSpinner. Note the twisted motor wires? That’s how much torque this motor has. It also tore half the sticker off when it spun!
Electrical and electronics as installed. The view is from the top and left of the eSpinner. The front control panel is to the right in this photo.

Today’s post title is inspired by another Canadian group: Finger Eleven (Of course that’s not what they were called at the time. Finger Eleven was a much more marketable name!).  It’s a bit of a departure from the stuff I usually post but in 1994, it was one I’d turn up when it came on the radio.

Circles – Finger Eleven

“Circles” is what was floating in my head while I wrote this (as in “cranking around in circles”).

“Older and better” though, that’s sort of my philosophy with vintage sewing machines and maybe the CSM too (though there are some pretty well made current models being produced, these antiques have stood the test of time and are far more affordable to get your feet wet with.)

I guess in a way, I’m older and better at what I’m doing here too.  Better with the lathe than I was 6 months ago.  Better at CAD than I was 2 years ago.  Better at having patience while learning than ever because I’m learning to be kinder/gentler with myself and not expecting to just be good at everything.  That (in retrospect) seems a little arrogant of past me. There’s no reason I should have expected to not have to put the effort in.

Absolutely no better at short posts apparently though.  Maybe once every few weeks or so instead of once every few months.  It will take some time for me to work up to that habit though.

 

7 thoughts on “Older and Better – antique sock machine and revisiting projects”

  1. I have the identical setup and machine. I even got the original setup instruction and manual. And you’re right. It was called The Money Maker. I absolutely love my Legare 400. Yours looks so beautiful while mine is the original in every sense of the word. I need to send it to Dave at Chambord so he can make mine as lovely as yours. Thanks for sharing.

    1. Ohh! Hang onto that manual for sure. Many of us wish we’d received one with our machines.
      Dave did a wonderful job on this one. I’ve also upgraded the parts on it that I said I wanted to and I definitely think they’ve made my life easier. Especially when I insist on threading the mast topper wrong for some reason. I do it a few times when I take a break and come back after a few months away. If I had my choice, I’d likely have gone blue or original black but you don’t say no when the right deal shows up!

      1. Thanks Tammi. I’m still cranking out socks like crazy but I think it’s time I give Dave a call and make arrangements for him to refurbish my CSM. I’m pretty sure that the tensions on both the ribber and the cylinder need replacement as do the cams. And yes, I’ll keep the machine in the original black. Oh! According to the manual, the machine was made in 1903. That’s antique. Only God knows how many feet it kept warm and toasty.

        1. Oh good for you! I think Dave will do a great job on your machine. Yes, I would have liked the black as well. My new yarn topper is black – so I can move it to another machine if needed and it looks like a little lady bug now with the little bit of black. 🙂 I love that these machines have such history. They may even have saved lives in the two big wars.

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