“Machine works and is in good condition”… really?

I had a lady contact me about a few machines she wanted to sell.
I wasn’t interested in all of them, but 2 piqued my interest, the Singer 185J, because I knew someone who wanted it, and the Pfaff 362, because I thought it would be interesting to play with. She told me that all the machines she had worked and were in good condition, and if I’d like, she was traveling into town and could drop them off on her way by.  She lives about 45 minutes away from us in a direction I haven’t traveled in  years.  Because she was dropping them off, I felt like I shouldn’t refuse regardless of shape, so I didn’t inspect them too carefully.

The 185 was dirty and needed service.  No real surprise.  I did a quick tension tweak and added a new bobbin tire and sent it off to the guy who wanted it.

The Pfaff.

No way this machine has worked right in years!

  • After oiling, it’s got a “lumpy” spot when you turn the wheel (hard turning spot, feels like it’s “eccentric” – turns hard then suddenly loosens up – twice per handwheel revolution, or once per hook revolution),
  • the Stopmatic switch cover is smashed – and the pedal has been changed for a regular old motor / light cord, so I suspect it won’t properly work again unless I can find the original pedal for it.
  • the needle threader is gone,
  • the thread guard was rusted onto the hook.
  • the motor belt was loose enough to rub on the Stopmatic switch box and it’s starting to shred.  It also may be slightly dry rotted.
  • I’m pretty sure this tensioner hasn’t worked in some time.  This is what I found under the dial after it came off in my fingers from being assembled incorrectly:

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A blurry close up of the spring (note, the loop is supposed to curve the other way based on the replacement spring I saw online, and the service manual and “pretzel” isn’t a proper tension spring shape):

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For some reason, that tensioner took me hours to get working correctly, after I (as proof of concept only, I will order the spring) bent the spring back into submission.

At least, the two plastic gears were intact. 🙂

So, thanks to the problems I found on this machine, I’m adding the following to my list of things to check when I buy a machine:

  • Is the upper tensioner working /assembled correctly
  • (If Applicable) Is the needle threader there / bent / damaged, etc
  • Does it have the original pedal – doesn’t matter with most of the vintage machines, but apparently this one does, and others will too I’m sure.
  • If it’s “lumpy” turning, what’s the pattern – every half turn, every turn, etc.
  • Do model specific features work? (Stopmatic, etc)
I also have a new rule – I must go see the machine.  Then I won’t feel like I have to buy.

Up until yesterday, my list had things like:

  • How do the wires look?
  • Does the light turn on?
  • Wiggle the power cord, does the light flicker?  (Assumes the wiring looked safe enough to do that)
  • Basic timing check – stitches both straight and zigzag stitches (I check the timing first, because I don’t like smashing needles in front of people but it’s usually not necessary to do that – I’ve only had 3 that I’ve saved a needle or bobbin case that way.)
  • Does it look like the machine has been dropped?
  • Pedal works
  • All plates are present
  • All dials move freely
  • Belts?
  • How does it sound? Does it labour on startup? While running?  Does it sound “loud”?
  • Does it run on its own?
  • Rust?  And where is it?  Some surface rust is OK because a lot can be “removed”, but there’s a lot that’s not.  If the machine will be decorative, in some cases, no big deal but if it’s to be used, it’s important.
  • Condition of the sewing surface
  • General Cosmetic shape – decals, etc
  • General look of the machine – the appearance can tell you a lot about how the machine was maintained.

None of these alone rules a machine out.  It just let’s me know what I may be dealing with, and lets me decide if I want the machine badly enough, or gives me a bargaining position.

What does your normal “inspection” list include?

6 thoughts on ““Machine works and is in good condition”… really?”

  1. Thanks Tammi. I have a Pfaff Expression 2038 (which doesn’t even require oiling) but my problem is exactly as you described. I cannot figure out how to take off the plastic back panel so it would be hard for me to find the spot you mention (I can only take off the top and left/right sides but not front or back panels). The machine motor can get past the lumpy spot, I only notice it when I hand turn. Is it okay to blinding oil everything to see if I can get past this problem?

    1. Hi Thalia,

      I know what you mean, the 6122 I have here is character building to get into too. Your machine is very different than these old vintage machines. It won’t have the knuckle I was mentioning.

      Whatever you do, do NOT blindly oil! There’s too much nylon and plastic in these machines (yes, my coveted 6122 as well) and plastic and nylon degrade with oil.

      It’s a misconception that they don’t need oil though. I blame the people who wrote the manuals. Any time metal rubs on metal, it creates friction. Friction is our enemy and causes worn parts. Oil is the buffer that reduces the wear. When you take a machine in for service, they oil those parts you can’t get to. Unfortunately, the way the machine manuals read, most people equate “doesn’t need oil” with “doesn’t need to be serviced” and the machines start to seize up over time. So, since you can’t get in to get to some of the recessed areas – when’s the last time you had it serviced by a good shop?

      1. That’s good to know. Actually I just acquired this machine, used, for a song and it had some issues that I’ve managed to iron out. Except this lumpy wheel problem which happens at the lowest and highest needle position. I will try to oil where I see metal-meets-metal moving parts to see if that does anything. Thanks for the tip.

    1. Hey Thalia! Invariably is seems to be a “knuckle” that didn’t get lubed. In the case of the Pfaff 130 that I bought when I got rid of the 362 with, there’s one spot that needs oil that you can barely see on the back of the machine under the inspection panel. It’s so far to the right (if you’re looking at the back of the machine) that it’s almost invisible even when you look for it. I oiled it, spun it for a bit, oiled it again and the lumpiness disappeared.

      Which Pfaff do you have? Is it the 362 like in the post, or another one?

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